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Vatican white tie?

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#1 mattymoo



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Posted 01 August 2015 - 06:52 AM

I know this is probably way off topic but I have been wondering who to ask for a while... 


I have noticed the "diplomatic class" of the Vatican wearing an idiosyncratic form of white tie, as at:






http://vatican.mae.r...es/Btc Osmm.jpg






Can anyone advise what the origin of this form is? It appears to be the usual white tie, but without white marcella waistcoat and instead a black one. I understand that was an older form of the outfit, and therefore I assume this usage has simply continued in Italy / the Vatican? 

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:13 AM

I've never seen white tie with a black waistcoat.

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:30 AM

You have now! 

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 07:48 AM

Not an answer to the original question, but that red tunic could use some fitting!

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:03 AM

There are general rules (which can change), and then there are rules that organizations make. A couple of examples would be a school has a certain tie, or boys of a certain age don't wear Eton coats anymore. The rules are whatever those in the organization "fights" them out to be. The militaries around the world have their "codes" of dress. Groups can pick and choose whatever they want. You can ask them why. If it's old enough the present people may not know why, and just be following rules.

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