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#37 hymo

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 11:16 PM

Swapped out the horn for gilt buttons.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:03 PM

Looks good, be happy.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:06 PM

Some construction pics.

Left shoulder pad:
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The right shoulder pad is thicker. Should it be EVEN THICKER in my next suit?

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Edited by hymo, 20 November 2010 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:21 AM

This is for the tailor to decide. He might cut the garment so that both pads are the same. There are other reasons to use pads. With the first finished now that he has had some time to consider what he has done and how he might improve for the next coat.

There is something else to think about. Shoulders may not always stay the same through out the day. One day I started out with a low shoulder, by the end of the day the other shoulder was the lower one.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:34 PM

Thanks, greger, but I try to trust him with as little as possible. Give him a choice and my shoulder pads will be 1" thick.

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 03:14 PM

Hello, very nice DB, and interesting idea.

How was the 'swappable buttons' constructed? Do you have two sets of buttons, each set sewn to another button, similar to this:
http://www.styleforu...=111076&page=12

How difficult was the construction, alignment?

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 06:30 PM

Yeah, mine are made like Vox's. Alignment was crucial, since once cut the buttons cannot be repositioned.

Reichsmarine gilt button appreciation pic:
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Posted 23 May 2011 - 11:41 PM

Sorry, but your buttons are certainly not original Reichsmarine gilt buttons.
In fact, they're not even German.

They are in fact buttons from South America; geographically very different.

The most obvious feature (and one which should be so prominent as to be inexcusable) is the 'Sun God' atop the fouled anchor, which alludes to the South American origins - the ancient Mayan and Inca civilisations, who were polytheists and had their beliefs shaped around the Sun and worshipped them as Gods.
(not a discusiion of beliefs, only explaining the origins of these buttons)

South American Navy's that utilise this (and which can be seen on their naval jack, insignia's, emblems etc) amongst others are:

Argentina:
http://en.wikipedia..../Argentine_Navy

Uruguay:
http://en.wikipedia....Navy_of_Uruguay

Wing Emblem (scrolling to the bottom of the wiki page):
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Now, the 'original Reichsmarine gilt buttons' that you posted:

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The area of concern here is Imperial German navy (1871 - 1918), Reichsmarine (Weimar Republic 1918-1933 which you claim these buttons are from) and the Kriegsmarine (Third Reich 1933-1945).

Pictures taken from a huge specialist militaria (German) auction site (http://www.militaria321.com)


Imperial era (Kaiser) navy buttons had a crown on top of an anchor:
Front (Hohenzollern Crown, anchor)
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The button's back also shows the era - Kaiserliche Marine or Imperial Navy, often also with the year and the maker
Back:
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http://www.militaria...itz-Marine-Kiel


Reichsmarine (1918-1933)

Front (fouled anchor only no crown, roped rim
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Back (again, button backmark has Reichsmarine and maker, no date)
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http://www.militaria...ergoldet-Marine


Kriegsmarine (1933-1945)

Front
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Back (Kriegsmarine, maker, no date)
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http://www.militaria...ldet-Kretschmer

As you can see, the Reichsmarine and Kriegsmarine buttons are similar, and feature the fouled anchor only and no crown (for reasons that are quite obvious).

You can dump those buttons, unless you want to carry South American naval buttons? Too often, you get what you pay for - true Imperial, Reichswehr or Third Reich era buttons go for considerably more (as you can see from the auctions), but at least you now know where to procure original ones.

It is not my intention to ruin what you claim to be true (intentionally or not), or whether real research had been done, but this concerns the navy of several sovereign countries, which carries national and militaristic importance, and therefore you must understand a false statement has to be corrected.

Edited by YogilaT, 23 May 2011 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2011 - 06:49 PM

But the back of my buttons say "feuervergoldet".

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 11:43 PM

But the back of my buttons say "feuervergoldet".


Maybe they were made by a German button-maker ? All it means is "fire-gilded".
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Posted 25 May 2011 - 01:42 AM

Ben, you seem inordinately wrapped up in the case of my buttons. Here is a pic of the back of one of them. I suggest you look at the EXIF data to verify that the pic was taken today, expressly for this post. I have provided some background (that of my computer monitor) for some context.

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The "A" mark stands for F.W. Assmann & Söhne of Lüdenscheid, as this site documents:
http://www.warcross....rdpress/?p=1565

Here are some of their other buttons (not mine)
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