Jump to content


Photo

Sequins commanded and wake up to reality


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 jeffrey2117

jeffrey2117

    Journeyman

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC
  • Interests:Sewing and tailoring, numismatics, frustrating my assistant by forgetting where I put things when I move them.

Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:40 AM

Hello All,

 

    I had a young lady in her early 20's come by, a first time visitor without appointment. 

 

The young lady, nearly 6 feet tall, with heels, brought in a full length evening dress, with slit on side with full back that hooked behind neck and a box of sequins and directions and a diagram. 

 

I was told that I will completely cover the dress with hand sewn sequins in a particular overlapping pattern of alternating colored sequins and she is going to pick up the finished garment in 1.5 days and will pay me the sum of US $75.00

 

I told her that I was not able to complete this work in the requested time and that the fee would be substantially higher.

 

The shocked look on her face was very pronounced and she told me, "Do you know who I am?  My Father is........"

 

The young lady left with her items and was very angry.  I suppose that is was because she could not get her demands met for the first time in her life.

 

I was also wondering if any on the forum work with sequins and what would a realistic amount of time would need be allowed for this task?

 

 

Kind regards

 

Jeffrey2117


"An intelligent man knows he is ignorant, a ignorant man knows he is intelligent".

#2 Philip_AMS

Philip_AMS

    Apprentice

  • Professional
  • PipPip
  • 123 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Netherlands

Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:45 AM

maybe her father is a factory owner in china.....as I can only imagine this is where she is getting her price quote from and time frame from!  :twitch:


  • theBlackSheep likes this

#3 jcsprowls

jcsprowls

    Pro

  • Super Pro
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,134 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Roanoke, Virginia

Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:48 AM

An entire gown? A motif? Or, just accents?

 

I would've refused covering an existing garment at any price because it would've been cheaper and faster to rub off the style and remake it in a new (i.e. sequined) fabrication. It likely would have taken more than three days to finish, depending on your backlog. And, the job should be priced at fair market rate for all services required (rubbing off/patternmaking, fabrics, trims, cutting/sewing/fitting, finishing, etc.)

 

If a motif or just a few accents, a hand finisher would charge (minimally) $40USD/hr for the work. A professional hand finisher would have a portfolio of samples (viz. a "flip book") to refer to that included time studies and pricing based on the square inch of coverage, density and complexity of the motif.

 

If the customer (or, designer) wanted a custom-sequinned fabric, he or she would have to contract with a hand finisher prior to having the garment rubbed off in the custom fabrication. This is, effectively, what a couture house does. And, the price is, well... no object!

 

RE: customer's attitude. Never argue or judge. Just smile and say "yes, please" or "no, thank you". Anything other will sap the joy from your craft and has potential to damage your reputation.


  • ladhrann and jeffrey2117 like this
___________

Dir, Product Development

web: http://www.studio9apparel.com
portfolio: http://www.behance.net/studio9apparel

#4 jeffrey2117

jeffrey2117

    Journeyman

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC
  • Interests:Sewing and tailoring, numismatics, frustrating my assistant by forgetting where I put things when I move them.

Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:00 AM

Hello Jcsprowls,

 

    The young lady wished the entire garment covered in sequins. 

 

Thank you for the quick reply and advice for this type of garment request.  I appreciate your taking the time and knowledge!

 

Kind regards

 

Jeffrey2117


"An intelligent man knows he is ignorant, a ignorant man knows he is intelligent".

#5 cthomas

cthomas

    Umsie

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 31 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Netherlands

Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:27 AM

That must've been a very big box of sequins if it was for the complete dress... I doubt anyone can do that much fabric it in that time limit.

Let alone if you have to do it with a regular sewing needle.. professional embroiderers have more convenient tools for it, but still..



#6 jeffrey2117

jeffrey2117

    Journeyman

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC
  • Interests:Sewing and tailoring, numismatics, frustrating my assistant by forgetting where I put things when I move them.

Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:46 AM

Hello CThomas,

 

    She had one box, but divided into sections of different colored sequins and had requested that each sequin be hand sewed, overlapping with a certain pattern with alternating sequins.

 

Kind regards

 

Jeffrey2117


Edited by jeffrey2117, 10 November 2013 - 05:50 AM.

"An intelligent man knows he is ignorant, a ignorant man knows he is intelligent".

#7 Nula

Nula

    Umsie

  • Professional
  • Pip
  • 31 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 10 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

Just my five cents...I used to do ballet bodices with beads/sequins.  It could take several days to do a particular motif on a bodice alone.  The entire gown?  For $5-6/hr? 

Regardless of the insulting price, it could not be done by one person in 1.5 days.

 

I get the odd ridiculous request like this.  People just sometimes have absolutely no idea.  As per Jcsprowls, just say politely, no thank you.  Then after she's gone go in the back room and laugh hysterically instead of getting angry...

 

Haha,,,do you know who my father is? 

...must be that cheapskate who doesn't know how to sew sequins on...



#8 Terri

Terri

    Pro

  • Super Pro
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,037 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Ontario Canada

Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:48 PM

Yes, poor girl, it is tough when reality hits you so hard!

That was quite the request! I couldm't even begin to calculate the time for that.
JC is right though, cheaper to copy and make one out of sequined fabric than to have a gown hand sequined.
There are specialists out there, and I would love to know a realistic cost.
  • eboli likes this

#9 jcsprowls

jcsprowls

    Pro

  • Super Pro
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,134 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Roanoke, Virginia

Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:54 AM

My guess?

 

Assuming a 36/28/38 figure with full density (30% overlap) and straight/rowed chainstitch attachment (the easiest method). I'd venture an embellishment fee of at least $700-800 for just the front bodice.

 

If done properly, the sequins should "feather" or "cascade" into the skirt and wrap around the sideseam onto the back and upper skirt (above the seat) so the embellishment looked intentional (or, "set-in"). Minimum embellishment cost: $1,000USD.

 

If the same style were rubbed off/copied using a sequined fabrication... likely to be about $500-600USD plus the cost of fabric + trims.

 

If my figures are conservative, the cost of recycling an existing gown appears to be more expensive than having a copy made. A professional hand finisher would have had samples to refer to that enable the customer/designer to stretch the dollar further.

 

She really didn't need to be a walking wall of fish scales to recycle the gown into a second look - she just needed "seasoning" to freshen it up. But, she didn't want to hear anyone else's recommendation, she was too busy being "right".


___________

Dir, Product Development

web: http://www.studio9apparel.com
portfolio: http://www.behance.net/studio9apparel

#10 jeffrey2117

jeffrey2117

    Journeyman

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC
  • Interests:Sewing and tailoring, numismatics, frustrating my assistant by forgetting where I put things when I move them.

Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:09 AM

My guess?

 

Assuming a 36/28/38 figure with full density (30% overlap) and straight/rowed chainstitch attachment (the easiest method). I'd venture an embellishment fee of at least $700-800 for just the front bodice.

 

If done properly, the sequins should "feather" or "cascade" into the skirt and wrap around the sideseam onto the back and upper skirt (above the seat) so the embellishment looked intentional (or, "set-in"). Minimum embellishment cost: $1,000USD.

 

If the same style were rubbed off/copied using a sequined fabrication... likely to be about $500-600USD plus the cost of fabric + trims.

 

If my figures are conservative, the cost of recycling an existing gown appears to be more expensive than having a copy made. A professional hand finisher would have had samples to refer to that enable the customer/designer to stretch the dollar further.

 

She really didn't need to be a walking wall of fish scales to recycle the gown into a second look - she just needed "seasoning" to freshen it up. But, she didn't want to hear anyone else's recommendation, she was too busy being "right".

Hello Jcsprowls,

 

    I have found your posts and replies on this and other topics very interesting, thank you for sharing the  knowledge and experience to help us.

 

Thank you for your responses on this topic.

 

 

Kind regards

 

Jeffrey2117


"An intelligent man knows he is ignorant, a ignorant man knows he is intelligent".

#11 SPOOKIETOO

SPOOKIETOO

    Apprentice

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 243 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 22 June 2014 - 02:58 PM

Jeffrey2117- I love this story! Its also why I hate to do alterations. People have no clue and no respect for other peoples time.

I design restaurant kitchens. Under the best of conditions at least a 2-3 day process. I once had a customer call me at 11:00 am and tell me the approximate dimensions of his space and a list of equipment he thought important for a pizza place. I made notes and thought the conversation was a better than average start. After 30 minutes he concluded his end of the conversation and announced he needed to come into town for a lunch appointment so he would stop by at noon (in 30 minutes) to pick up his floorplan. I DIED LAUGHING in absolute hysterics! Then he made a very insulting remark to which I exclaimed, " Oh my god, you're serious!?!"

"Of course I'm serious!" he snapped back. "Why can't I have my floorplan in 30 minutes!?!"

I could not force myself to apologize to such a pompous moronic idiot. So I answered him truthfully: " because I don't have a button on my computer labeled 'pizza place'"......and I hung up the phone. I had real work to do for real customers.
  • ladhrann likes this




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users