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#19 Henry Hall

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 01:04 AM

Believers in the religion of capitalism never learn. If it is going wrong, as it generally is, it simply must be the fault of two common bêtes noires:

 

Unfair taxes  - well then stop voting for people who refuse to fairly tax massive corporations harder and then the burden won't keep falling upon you!

 

Regulations - cut them and the big players will ride roughshod over everything everywhere (even more than they already do). Some regulation is often outdated or poorly executed and that can be even worse: hence events like Rana Plaza and money market crooks finding loopholes that do even more damage.

 

The bigger the markets the even more faceless the commerce becomes. Being able to buy things ever cheaper has now been filtered into the mindset of three generation's worth of people and that Pandora's Box doesn't look like it is about to close soon. It is a bold person who now sets up something like a clothing operation domestically, with a view to not making use of Asian semi-slave labour or pricing a product according to genuine costs rather than according to a marketing smoke and mirrors trick on top of minimal outlays. They have very stiff and rather wily competition.

 

CleanClothes.org has shown how the EU uses many of the newer members (and periphery non-members) in much the same way Asian garment workers are used. In Poland, Czech Republic Albania, Slovakia etc they run the same sorts of garment factories, but they can write 'Made in Europe' on the label and people think 'well, it's not made in bad conditions so I can rest my conscience', but that's a mistake.

 

Personally I don't think it's acceptable that factories full of (primarily) women should work a 60-96 hour week for all of their lives, missing their families and being crushed, while we wait for the next development of capitalism. I don't think they deserve that. Anyone repeatedly buying that modestly-priced MTM or 'semi-bespoke' shirt from the plethora of companies on the 'tailored shirt' bandwagon, ought to keep that horrible fact in mind.


Edited by Henry Hall, 11 August 2016 - 01:06 AM.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 02:00 AM

Personally I don't think it's acceptable that factories full of (primarily) women should work a 60-96 hour week for all of their lives, missing their families and being crushed, while we wait for the next development of capitalism. I don't think they deserve that. Anyone repeatedly buying that modestly-priced MTM or 'semi-bespoke' shirt from the plethora of companies on the 'tailored shirt' bandwagon, ought to keep that horrible fact in mind.

 

It's a valid point, in my opinion... However, for most people, the alternative to that "modestly-priced MTM" isn't more expensive ethical MTM or proper locally-made bespoke, it's RTW produced in even worse conditions.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 03:50 AM

Well, we're all in business to make money. It's a personally moral thing to decide how much and by what means.

How we then spend it is another series of moral, hopefully educated, free will choices.
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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:02 AM

Well, we're all in business to make money. It's a personally moral thing to decide how much and by what means.

How we then spend it is another series of moral, hopefully educated, free will choices.

 

There's supposed to be a balance between making your way and being responsible, but the truth is a little more uncomfortable than most people would like to admit. Anyone who knows 'successful' business people can't fail to notice the general modus operandi, few talk about it though. It's the ability to completely zone out of details and be hard. Eventually you may even get backslapped as a great success in the Sunday colour supplements and installed as a judge on Dragon's Den.

 

The 'free-will choices' of a few condemning the many to a life of drudgery is unacceptable. When it's the Chinese doing this to the Chinese everyone cries 'human rights!' Europe and the US excuse it for themselves by claiming to be drivers of modernisation and economic change, or defaulting to theories of individual action. It's audacious hypocrisy.

 

Ok then...back to talking about buttonhole stitch counts.


Edited by Henry Hall, 11 August 2016 - 07:08 AM.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:03 AM

 

It's a valid point, in my opinion... However, for most people, the alternative to that "modestly-priced MTM" isn't more expensive ethical MTM or proper locally-made bespoke, it's RTW produced in even worse conditions.

 

They're made in pretty much the same factories, so maybe the MTM is rather a bad deal. Same factory, marginally better product, more money poured into the pockets of the fake "shirtmakers".

 

The real 'alternative' is to look at the label and buy the domestically-made shirt. Over the next 30-50 years after the last country has been mass exploited for its labour (maybe Africa by China or some such), people better get used to paying more as the Western 'entrepreneurs' run out of places that will work for peanuts rather than doing it themselves.


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Posted 11 August 2016 - 07:23 AM

Capitalism isn't a blanket statement of, "It's all bad." Nor, is cherry picking the good futures being honest about other systems, as though, that is all there is to say about them- "Excellence!". America has a historic different view point of Capitalism then England. England has all the royalty, dukes, lords, etc. trash mentality. America basically considers All People Equal. There are a few rotten people, racist, here. But, for the most I think most people here think we are all equal. Many people here have made it out of poverty to middle class and wealth. Where the poor or middle class of England has far less opportunity. If you look at communism it has its reward systems raising people out of equal, where some are wealthy, for communism, that is cheating. Companies of capitalism, how many go under? Some of the largest companies in the US have gone under. Capitalism allows new people in the business with their knew ideas with a lot more freedom. It also explains why Capitalism countries have far more inventions. There is a freedom there that doesn't exist elsewhere. And greedy people, no matter what the system is, do there best to cheat the system. I've been around greedy people who come from the poor, middle class and the wealthy, and there all the same bad. No system is free of these blights. Therefore, Capitalism isn't any worse than other systems, but is actually better.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 08:06 AM

http://www.cbc.ca/be...abour-1.3693818

...adding only because of recent Kuka pirchase and automation growth in RTW/MTM...

Communist China is being more capitalistic than anyone. They're stratigcally long on lots of sector investments.

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Posted 11 August 2016 - 08:59 AM

'Communist China' is just authoritarian capitalism.

 

Waste of time this conversation.


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