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Sartorial Terroir - Does it Exist?


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#1 Sator

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:56 AM

Terroir is a French winemaking term meaning the influence of a region on the taste of a wine. The question in this thread is whether a similar terroir exists in tailoring. How much does region and country influence the cut. Or do individual variations between tailors even within regions, as well as changes due to fashion much more important?

The following pictures come from an international tailor's congress held in Brussels, Belgium during June of 1960.

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The opening ceremony:

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Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 01:06 AM

Now comes the important part. Can you pick where the following participants comes from? Can you discern the sartorial terroir on blind tasting? They have been numbered 1 - 17.

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Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 02:08 AM

# 14 could be German. I dont see a German suit.

Schneidern heisst, viel Wissen, viel Arbeit und keine Kohle im Sack, dafuer aber viele Kunden, die alles besser wissen.  :Big Grin:


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Posted 18 September 2011 - 10:51 AM

Keep the answers coming please!

I know it is tough but at least give it a try.
Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 10:15 PM

2: Italy
6: England
11: Germany
14: France
17: England

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Edited by Gruto, 18 September 2011 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:28 AM

1 France
2 funny shoulders
3 English
5 Netherland
6 Belgien
7 Italy
11 Germnay
12 Germany
14 France
16 English
17 Italy

those are just wild guesses. It would be a bit easier if we have the nationalities. # 12 could be swedish, too.
but I see Gruto has 2 the same as I.
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 04:18 AM

You can show the complete pictures?

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 03:05 AM

Tricky this, but here goes:

2 Italian
4 German
6 French
17 English

Less positively:

1 English
5 Austrian/German
9 Out -on-a-limb, Japanese (?????)
14 French
16 English

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 11:53 AM

After my performance on the last, similar exercise, I won't take part!
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 01:43 PM

Sorry, but I can't give answers yet because I don't know enough. There is another culturalgeographic phenomen besides wine - in language: dialect, or accent.
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Posted 23 September 2011 - 06:48 PM

1 & 2 French
3 German
4 & 5 English
6 Switzerland
7 Holland
8 Italian
9 German
10 Austrian
11 Italian
12 Belgium
13 Italian
14 German
15 Japan
16 Japan
17 Greece
I stand prepared to be humiliated

Edited by culverwood, 24 September 2011 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:05 PM

Bravo to all of those who showed courage! :clapping: I wouldn't have done very well myself in all honesty.

I've decided I would release a list of the countries on the list - however, you will note that there are less than 17 countries ie there may be more than one from any one country! The countries are in alphabetic order:

Austria
Belgium
Britain
France
Germany
Greece
Holland
Italy
Japan
Switzerland

Please feel free to submit an amended list! :tease: :spiteful:
Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:29 PM

Time to get your guess in quickly as I am soon going to start revealing the answers!!!!
Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 07:25 AM

OT!!
He greece!!!
Sator! Have you heard about the situation in Europe :-)
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 01:17 AM

Sorry, but I can't give answers yet because I don't know enough - such judgment requires incredible experience and observation by a layman or a tailor who knows his trade very well. There is another culturalgeographic phenomen besides wine - in language i.e. speech: dialect, or accent.


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Posted 01 October 2011 - 02:07 AM

Right. Time to reveal the answers!

Drum roll....

1. France

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2. France

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3. Greece

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4. Germany

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5. Germany

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6. Holland

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7. Holland

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8. Italy

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9. Japan

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10. Japan

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11. Austria

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12. Austria

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13. Switzerland

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14. Switzerland

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15. Belgium

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16. Britain

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17. Britain

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Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche."

"Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes"

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 05:29 AM

Bah, 2 out of 17! How bad.
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 05:48 AM

17 is fantastic!




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