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	The Cutter and Tailor > L'Anglomane - for Non-Technical Topics on Modern Style, Fashion, and Aesthetics > Les Incroyables Forum Guidelines View New Content 2 Pages 1 2 → You cannot start a new topic You cannot reply to this topic Sartorial Terroir - Does it Exist? #1 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 17 September 2011 - 11:56 PM Terroir is a French winemaking term meaning the influence of a region on the taste of a wine. The question in this thread is whether a similar terroir exists in tailoring. How much does region and country influence the cut. Or do individual variations between tailors even within regions, as well as changes due to fashion much more important? The following pictures come from an international tailor's congress held in Brussels, Belgium during June of 1960. The opening ceremony: Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #2 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:06 AM Now comes the important part. Can you pick where the following participants comes from? Can you discern the sartorial terroir on blind tasting? They have been numbered 1 - 17. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #3 Der Zuschneider Master Group: Senior Professional Posts: 1,842 Joined: 18-November 09 Gender:Male Location:Texas Interests:- German Cutting systems - Modern Tailoring through German Standards Posted 18 September 2011 - 01:08 AM # 14 could be German. I dont see a German suit. If you don't love to work long hours for little money don't try to become a tailor. If you go crazy cause you can't solve a certain tailoring problem then put the stuff aside and go for a walk it might be possible you end up in the funny farm. LOL 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #4 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:51 AM Keep the answers coming please! I know it is tough but at least give it a try. Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #5 Gruto Umsie Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 18-April 09 Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:15 PM 2: Italy 6: England 11: Germany 14: France 17: England This post has been edited by Gruto: 18 September 2011 - 09:16 PM -- The Journal of Style 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #6 posaune Journeyman Group: Professional Posts: 472 Joined: 29-June 09 Gender:Female Location:Germany Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:28 AM 1 France 2 funny shoulders 3 English 5 Netherland 6 Belgien 7 Italy 11 Germnay 12 Germany 14 France 16 English 17 Italy those are just wild guesses. It would be a bit easier if we have the nationalities. # 12 could be swedish, too. but I see Gruto has 2 the same as I. lg posaune 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #7 carpu65 Journeyman Group: Senior Members Posts: 485 Joined: 30-July 09 Gender:Male Posted 19 September 2011 - 03:18 AM You can show the complete pictures? 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #8 nsw Umsie Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-March 10 Gender:Male Location:The Welsh Marches Posted 20 September 2011 - 02:05 AM Tricky this, but here goes: 2 Italian 4 German 6 French 17 English Less positively: 1 English 5 Austrian/German 9 Out -on-a-limb, Japanese (?????) 14 French 16 English 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #9 NJS Journeyman Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 15-April 09 Gender:Male Location:South America Posted 20 September 2011 - 10:53 AM After my performance on the last, similar exercise, I won't take part! NJS <b></b>NJS<b></b> 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #10 Naive Jr Apprentice Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 18-April 09 Gender:Male Location:Between Bern and Freiburg i. Br. Interests:Critical evaluation of Rudolf Steiner: Die Philosophie der Freiheit. - Astonishment at and admiration for you posters here because you are so professional and courteous, just like Sator. Posted 23 September 2011 - 12:43 PM Sorry, but I can't give answers yet because I don't know enough. There is another culturalgeographic phenomen besides wine - in language: dialect, or accent. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #11 culverwood Umsie Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 27-May 09 Gender:Male Location:London Posted 23 September 2011 - 05:48 PM 1 & 2 French 3 German 4 & 5 English 6 Switzerland 7 Holland 8 Italian 9 German 10 Austrian 11 Italian 12 Belgium 13 Italian 14 German 15 Japan 16 Japan 17 Greece I stand prepared to be humiliated This post has been edited by culverwood: 23 September 2011 - 11:18 PM 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #12 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 23 September 2011 - 07:05 PM Bravo to all of those who showed courage! I wouldn't have done very well myself in all honesty. I've decided I would release a list of the countries on the list - however, you will note that there are less than 17 countries ie there may be more than one from any one country! The countries are in alphabetic order: Austria Belgium Britain France Germany Greece Holland Italy Japan Switzerland Please feel free to submit an amended list! Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #13 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 27 September 2011 - 09:29 PM Time to get your guess in quickly as I am soon going to start revealing the answers!!!! Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #14 posaune Journeyman Group: Professional Posts: 472 Joined: 29-June 09 Gender:Female Location:Germany Posted 28 September 2011 - 06:25 AM OT!! He greece!!! Sator! Have you heard about the situation in Europe :-) lg posaune 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #15 Naive Jr Apprentice Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 18-April 09 Gender:Male Location:Between Bern and Freiburg i. Br. Interests:Critical evaluation of Rudolf Steiner: Die Philosophie der Freiheit. - Astonishment at and admiration for you posters here because you are so professional and courteous, just like Sator. Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:17 AM Naive Jr, on 23 September 2011 - 12:43 PM, said: Sorry, but I can't give answers yet because I don't know enough - such judgment requires incredible experience and observation by a layman or a tailor who knows his trade very well. There is another culturalgeographic phenomen besides wine - in language i.e. speech: dialect, or accent. 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #16 Sator Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 5,906 Joined: 26-March 09 Gender:Male Location:Sydney, Australia Posted 01 October 2011 - 01:07 AM Right. Time to reveal the answers! Drum roll.... 1. France 2. France 3. Greece 4. Germany 5. Germany 6. Holland 7. Holland 8. Italy 9. Japan 10. Japan 11. Austria 12. Austria 13. Switzerland 14. Switzerland 15. Belgium 16. Britain 17. Britain Gustav Mahler (1860-1911): "Tradition ist die Weitergabe des Feuers und nicht die Anbetung der Asche." "Tradition is about passing on the flame, and not the worshipping of ashes" Back to top of the page up there ^ #17 posaune Journeyman Group: Professional Posts: 472 Joined: 29-June 09 Gender:Female Location:Germany Posted 01 October 2011 - 04:29 AM Bah, 2 out of 17! How bad. lg posaune 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ #18 carpu65 Journeyman Group: Senior Members Posts: 485 Joined: 30-July 09 Gender:Male Posted 01 October 2011 - 04:48 AM 17 is fantastic! 0 Back to top of the page up there ^ ← Previous Topic Les Incroyables Next Topic → Share this topic: 2 Pages 1 2 → You cannot start a new topic You cannot reply to this topic 1 User(s) are reading this topic 0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users Delete Post Remove From View The post may still be visible to moderators in this topic Reason: Delete From Topic The post will be removed from this topic completely Skin and Language Language: Execution Stats Time Now: May 19 2013 06:17 PM Back To Top Forum Home Delete My Cookies Mark Board As Read Community Forum Software by IP.Board