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#1 Zephyrus

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:10 AM

Hi to everybody in this forum.
I was looking through the topics here and I couldn't find any drafts of 1940's men's boxer shorts underwear with no elastic in the waist and no seams in the seat area. Does anyone have them and would they be able to post them here?

For a rough example, please have a look at the links below:
http://www.worthpoin...orts-navy-issue
http://lulusvintage....ed/ebay1_19.jpg

Many thanks, Dominic

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 10:30 AM

MTOC 2nd or third volume has one that looks something like the ebay pic, but it has a seat seam and down the front, but no side seam.

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 11:49 AM

@Zephyrus, I was looking for the same thing. You might want to search for "five-panel boxer shorts". There is a company that sells an adult pattern, however it does have an elastic waistband, so it might be worth drafting yourself.

I had the same idea after spotting these from Hermes:

http://www.examiner....or-not-to-brief

Not sure they're worth $340 to me, but I like the idea of no elastic. I haven't been able to find an image of the back, but I think it has elastic in the back band, and it looks like the fabric is also reversed on the back. I was thinking of making a five-panel prototype with the back panel cut on the bias.

Another pic here:

http://media-cache-e..._xoSURMRL_c.jpg

Edited by cacrosdale, 06 September 2012 - 11:56 AM.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:04 AM

Here is a sketch of a draft. I am adapting the Mansie's pants draft found on this forum. You would have to allow for some pleats on the front top measurement. The front fly extension would be for both front pieces so that it would create a flap.

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I hope you can see how I am getting the single back panel out of the back-side piece. I am assuming this is how the five-panel boxer is made, but the back panel might taper-down more toward the crotch? I'm not sure also where the back seams would fall and if they would uncomfortable to sit on?

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 07:18 AM

Greger, Cacrosdale, Thanks for the valuable inputs, but I would love to see a more detailed pattern of men's boxer shorts (seamless in the seat area) with step by step instructions.

I guess maybe what we are talking about could be in one of these books:

1. The Golden Rule: A manual showing methods of self-instruction on cutting out patterns for all types of garments (both outer-wear and underwear) in all sizes, for ladies, children and men by Maria Lutterloh (1953)

2. Harry Simons Drafting Men's Shirts and Undergarments by Antiquity Press

3. Classic Fashion Patterns of the 20th Century by Anne Tyrrell

Any help?

Edited by Zephyrus, 07 September 2012 - 07:27 AM.


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Posted 07 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

Look at this blog
http://malepatternbo...pants.html#more
you will find some examples
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:37 PM

Look at this blog
http://malepatternbo...pants.html#more
you will find some examples
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Yes, exactly what I was looking for, except for the two seams in the seat area.

It seems that I have no choice, I have to modify the MTOC pattern to get seamless boxer shorts.

Many thanks.




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Posted 07 September 2012 - 06:38 PM

(MTOC, Volume III, Chapter X, Underwear, Hosiery and Dressing Gowns) ???
Is there someone that would be so kind as to post the scans of the pages regarding the pattern drafting method used to create men's underpants?
I would appreciate it so much. Thanks.

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 09:18 PM

I've been looking for such a draft too. I wish somebody would put all of the MTOC books into pdf... they are too damned expensive.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

@Zephyrus, I was looking for the same thing. You might want to search for "five-panel boxer shorts". There is a company that sells an adult pattern, however it does have an elastic waistband, so it might be worth drafting yourself.


From your term 5-panel boxer I was able to find this on ebay http://www.ebay.co.u...5#ht_1673wt_906 However I do not know if the shape would suit and you might have to modify it. There are also 'vintage' boxer short patters e.g. http://www.ebay.co.u...5#ht_1673wt_906 but again these may be problematic as all I can find use elastic.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:02 PM

You are aware that those boxers have a seat seam, right?

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It's almost impossible to make an anatomically fitting boxer without a seam in the crotch. You can easily eliminate the side seams, since the waistband gets ruffled, but everything else is just a variation of the basic theme, like cutting a yoke or inserts like the one cacrosdale showed.

Print this diagram out and play with seam (re-)locations:

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:35 PM

This appears to be close to what you want: http://malepatternbo...-2-pattern.html
The entire thing has 5 parts (with another type of boxers making part 6).

"Nur der ist Meister seiner Kunst, der immer sucht, das Gute zu verbessern und niemals glaubt, das Beste schon zu haben."
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

This appears to be close to what you want: http://malepatternbo...-2-pattern.html
The entire thing has 5 parts (with another type of boxers making part 6).

Hi Schneidergott, Nice to hear from you again :-)

Yeah!!! McCall's 3438 pattern is really very close to what i want, and it requires making only a few alterations to be perfect for my needs.
But where i can buy it? I don't see any working links to this product.
In particular, i would need:
McCall's 3438 Size Large Chest 42-44 Waist 36-39
or even better
McCall's 3438 Size Extra Large Chest 46-48 Waist 40-43

Thank you very much for your input.




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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:21 PM

http://www.etsy.com/...y_1&ga_includes[0]=materials&ga_search_query=mccalls+pattern+3438&ga_search_type=all&ga_facet=mccalls+pattern+3438&ga_includes[]=materials&ga_view_type=gallery

It's size small, but you can add width you need by cutting and opening the pieces and glueing them to some card board or heavy paper. Just make sure the openings are even in back and front. Most likely the easiest (and cheapest) way to get a pattern that fits you.

"Nur der ist Meister seiner Kunst, der immer sucht, das Gute zu verbessern und niemals glaubt, das Beste schon zu haben."
"Only he is a master of his art who always seeks to improve the good and never believes to have the best already"

"Es gibt keinen Grund mit Erfahrung zu prahlen, denn man kann etwas auch viele Jahre falsch machen!"
"There is no reason to boast of your experience, because it's possible to do things wrong for a long time!"


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

These patterns come up on ebay all the time. I have several squirreled away myself. Or search for the pattern number with google. You'll find one fairly easily and it will be a good base to build off.




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